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Brig. Ondoga in an interview with our reporter. PHOTO by RISDEL KASASIRA
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Security matters. A number of Special Forces Command
operatives were sent to Somalia under African Union in Somalia (AMISOM) to join
other Ugandan fighters deployed in the war-ravaged country. They have fought
fierce battles with al Shabaab since 2007 and the addition of a specialised team
under the Command of Maj. Asaph Mweteise Nyakikuru, has breathed new life into
Somali nationals. Risdel Kasasira was in Somalia and interviewed the commander
of the Ugandan contingent, Brig. Michael Ondoga, on the prevailing situation in
Mogadishu and beyond.
How are the
operations against al Shabaab going?
The operations are generally going on well. We are almost
in charge of the whole of sector one. We are remaining with three towns of
Qoryooley, Balawe and Mahaade. Mahade is in the north. These other two, are in
the south west. These are the only two towns that are left to be captured and
in the second phase, we will be doing domination operations. We will be
dominating areas off the road and mobilising wananchi (civilians)so that we
work together like we are partnering with local leaders and farmers so that
they can tell us the enemy’s whereabouts.
With accurate information, we can go in, and solve the
problem. These three areas that are still hanging will soon fall. Al shabaab is
still getting supplies through Balawe. They also collect revenue from this
coastal town. Mahaade is in the north of Jawhar. Once we are in Mahaade, then
we will be at the eastern boundary of this sector. We will stop there. We
recently captured new places like Jannale and others.
In Mogadishu, yes, we have problems but it’s mainly
police and local leaders. It’s about the population becoming vigilant and
working together with Amisom police. We reinforce them whenever there is a big
problem. But we have not had occasions when the threat is beyond our
capability. That’s how operations are going.
What will follow
after you have captured the remaining areas?
Like I said, we captured Afgooye, Marka, Jannale, Buur
hakhaba and others. The next phase is going into areas still controlled by al
Shabaab. Some of them are hiding in farms and thickets. But we want to partner
with farmers and we are already doing it. With this partnership, they will tell
us where these bad guys are hiding and then we go for them. If they can be
talked to, we shall talk. Those who cannot and still want to fight, then we go
for them. Of course, we do this with Somali National Army (SNA). Many small
groups have given themselves to us and we handed them over to SNA.
Will you spread to
other sectors after you have finished sector one and what will happen after you
captured all the sectors?
We are already working with Burundians in sector three.
There is still a lot to do. We will train the local security forces. We will
continue assisting police to pacify the city here and then dominating the
surrounding areas through patrols and also securing our communication lines. Al
Shabaab has now resorted to symmetrical warfare. They can still cause some
threat along our routes of supply by laying improvised explosive devices.
Therefore, we have to secure our routes and make sure they are safe. There is
still a lot to do.
Isn’t symmetrical
war more dangerous than having a conventional frontline because the attackers
make surprise moves?
Well, the only difference is that with conventional
frontline, you have a defined position whereas symmetrical, there is no defined
frontline and you are fighting with people who are not clearly identifiable.
They dress like civilians and blend in the civilian community. So, it’s not
easy. The kind of weapons they carry, weapons that can easily be hidden like
grenades, IEDs, vehicles bombs and others - that’s what makes it really
complicated but with good intelligence, support from the population, it’s
manageable.
Moving away from
the frontline, isn’t it demoralising for soldiers who go through this hard life
and their allowances are delayed?
I agree with you, there is some delay due to technical
reasons because the money has to be processed from African Union and then
channelled to the troops’ contributing countries. But these delays are
explained to the troops. They know the reasons why sometimes their money
delays. It has not affected their morale to the extent of complaining or
affecting their work. Therefore, there is no visible effect.
Why do you remove
names of soldiers from the payroll when they go home for leave and delay there?
Sometimes it happens. But any entity has got its rules
and regulations. According to the rules we are operating in here, if you go
home and stay away for 21 days, then you qualify to be disqualified from the
mission. We don’t have administrative flights.
We have only logistical flights. Sometimes there is no
space to bring in those who go home. This also affects the movement of
personnel.
But there are those who go home and they don’t mind
calling back to give information back here to explain their delay. Those ones
become a problem because we have to account for them.
That’s why I said, you have to inform us. Procedurally,
if you inform us, we take care of that. If you don’t inform us, you will be
counted absent. But, before we do that, we send a message warning that look
here, if you don’t call or return by this time, you will be removed from the
payroll. When they don’t, that happens. We normally warn them.
What kind of
operations are the Special Forces in Somalia doing and are they deployed at the
frontline or they remain behind?
Normal operations are conducted by regular forces. But
you may have special scenarios like an enemy hiding somewhere in a narrow place
and he can only be dealt with in a special way, say at night by surprising him.
These are the kind of special operations we are talking about. Those special
scenarios that need night visual equipment and high speed to execute and
return. They also carry out night operations in built up areas. They are well
trained and have that capability. They can move in quickly and carry out
surgical operations and come out.